Back to the Future!

Right now we're down Carol (until her stuff is fixed)
We're down Cathe (due to school she can't make mondays)
And I won't log in until 10:30pm Eastern.

So sounds like early night will be Keahi, Saehel, Rhoa and Brandon, and then I'll be around later. (Maybe Kiniko would be around too.)

So probably you four decide what you want to do and I'll join in when I get logged in.

Right now I only have 2 goals.
1) Get Nek introduced to the group. So if others have ideas I'm open to listening. Have an idea of Keahi seeing her come out of a Cavernous Maw, or have a tie to Corivan or Kiniko if Cor was interested in being a pirate or Kiniko wanted to be a part of a Thf group in Bastok (but keep it secret from her parents), or make a tie to Saehel's mom since Nekaru is a goldsmith. (or any or all of the above).
2) Level Thf

And those goals are in that order 'cause can level Thf on my own, and only get to RP with you all really one night a week.

Tie to Coravin = possible. Mish hasn't fully straightened her backstory on Cor, but I believe her parents were pirates - Cor doesn't even remember them and honestly I think Sae is more curious about them than Cor is. But it's possible that Nekaru knew Cor's parents.

It's possible that Nekaru IS Coravin's parent! lol

I have no control over Cor and Nek but I think that would be an interesting idea...

*chuckle* I would be open for that type of tie to Cor. Mish and I could talk over it this weekend.

Nek was a Pirate connected to Norg, Bastok and the Far East Corsairs, so could tie in to any of those. I don't know that Nek's really old enough to be a mother...well, she is, and if something happened, it would've been when she was a pirate...but that was her most recent exploits, which would only make Cor a kitten. ><

So probably knowing parents would work better (although I too am amused at the idea of Nek having a kid, esp with Cor and Nek sharing the same model). And thus if Nek knew them or met them it would probably be recent.

Maybe they had something they wanted to pass on to Cor? Or when they found out Nek was retiring to Bastok asked her to look after Cor?

Well the thing is, Cor's parents have been dead for years. If Nekaru did know Cor's parents it would have been a long time ago, Cor is only about 17 and has been orphaned since she was 2. We'll likely have to work on something over the weekend. =D

Well... Jestor did say he wanted to mess with the cavernous maws... maybe she didn't "die" so much as dissapear?



DUN DUN DUUUUNNNNN!!!!

Yeah, there could have been some sort of time travel incident that would allow her to be older than she would have been. If Nekaru got stuck in the past or something... It is rather amusing hehe.

I meant more like she fell into the future somehow and everyone just thought she was dead.

That's what I was implying.

Well, I will say that Nek has been spending a lot of time in the past. And she's done so under an alias (as one of the Battle Dancers in the Bastok army). So that could be posible that she had a kid and then went back to the present, the timelines don't mesh up though atm, so we'll talk about it some more to see how we can squeeze things.

Since in my mind the Cyrstal War ended about 20 years to release of game.

Game has been out about 7 years. (And I've been aging Nek about 1 year per RL year.)

So I'm putting the Cyrstal War between 25-35 years ago (where the Maw's take you.)

Truthfully I hadn't really thought about times and timelines, but trying to get this to fit brings it up.

How is everyone with that timeline...of the Maw's and Crystal War was about 25-35 years ago?

(And on the same note, are people okay with aging the characters in RL years...and if so then we could put up character's birthday and actually celebrate them.)

I can't speak for everyone, but I know me and Cathe had been. I fully consider the war to have ended roughly 26 years ago from present day. (and as such, Humai is in his 30s) Oh.. though that doesn't coincide with Sae's backstory now that I think about it, does it?

Honestly, I used to think we'd just age the chars as the years since the game was released, but now I think that's a bad idea. Nothing in the game actually ages, ie. none of the npcs or the quests or the countries or anything changes. Perhaps a little time can be assumed to have passed but it probably shouldn't be anything like the 6 years the game's been out. Maybe a year or two, but 6 is just ridiculous.

(Cuz that would make Humaisna... like.... older than I want him to be. XD I don't mind him aging a little - but adding a year for every rl year is a little excessive - especially since it's not like we play these characters all the time. I figure, Humaisna was supposed to be 28 and now he should be almost 31... not 34. That allows about 2-ish years of adventuring with Haeru/Tiki and 1-ish year of adventuring with Keahi/Sae etc. Seems like a reasonable time frame for all the stuff that was supposed to happen in those time periods.

Also, if we go in rl years, it means I've missed out on an awesome opportunity to have Humaisna completely flip when he hits 31- the age his dad died. Just sayin'. It'd be fun for me. But if he's supposed to be 34, I'll just be sad and move on.)

Adding on years since the release doesn't make a whole lot of sense for the people who've just started either. I vote one in game year = 2-3 rl years. Or more.

The only counter to this I'll toss out is the yearly events like smilebringers in winter, harvest festival, goldfish scooping in summertime, egg hunting in spring, etc.

But if that's the take we want to go with I'll just make Nek born at the start of the war rather than the end to add in the years.

Then she would've started her Thf carrer and her Smn years pre-game release and if there's only 2-3 years occur since ppl started, then I'll make those the Corsair years.

Still wouldn't match the timeline fully if the cyrstal war was 22 years ago for those born during the wartime and were under 22 ><

Just for note, Rhoa had to be alive during the war since she remembers a little of her mom. Since she joined the group late she'd be MUCH older then I first thought if the IC time progression was 1:1. I could probably fudge an excuse but I'm leaning more towards having it only be 2 or 3 years since the game release.

Well, I guess you're right. I didn't remember how old everyone is supposed to be. But if someone's supposed to be born during/just after the crystal war and they're under 22, that would be a problem. And I don't want the new people's characters to suddenly have to age. Hmm, maybe no time should have passed at all? It wouldn't be a problem for me, I could just bump up my timeline and have Humai have met Haeru when he was a little younger. /shrug.

On another note, it occurs to me that you have sent me messages that I never saw, Dennis. I apologize, I wasn't intentionally ignoring you, I just apparently can't read the big "You have new messages" text at the top of the page. ^_^;; Sorry!

But I do like the idea of celebrating characters' birthdays, so I'm not sure how to do both...

In my opinion, I like the 1:1 for years.

I'll work with it if we have to change to 1:2-3 years as mentioned above. But here's some suggestions on alternate history ideas...

For Rhoa, Tavnazia has lost contact with the rest of the world after the Cyrstal War, that was reestablished a few years ago and they're now their own nation-state and not part of the San d'Orian Empire anymore. Rhoa's mother could've been a part of the group that was stationed there and when things started looking bad she could've entrusted Rhoa to someone to get her to Windurst, and thus Rhoa could remember the time in Tavnasia....or vice versa, maybe after Tavnaiza opened up again Rhoa's mother went there to help fight off the dragons that were plaguing that area. (Which could also play off Rhoa's interest in dragons.)

For Sae, um...not sure...um...unless she knew her father was in the war and then he died sometime after the war, and maybe her father and that Galka guy (who is actually someone who will fight with you in Campaign Battles) were friends fought together and it's because of those stories that Sae would search for her father in the war. (Don't know the details of it so just going on what I did know about.)

For Jestor I'd change that his father was in the war, but didn't die then, but died later on.

For Cor, her parents were pirates and not necissarily in the war so...no changes there. (And still stuff for us to work on this weekend.)

At least those are some ideas...

Rhoa's problem isn't that she wouldn't have a means of getting to/from Tavnazia. The problem is she'd be much older then she should be. If she was 10 like originally planned then she'd be 30 at the start of the game and 37 to date. This would have worked with her original design that was much more calm and mature. Best way I can describe it is her personality was Fran in FF12 and she became Virginia maxwell from Wild Arms 3. I don't think would really work for a 37 year old at all.

Since she originally was supposed to hate her mom but I never figured a reason why I decided to drop her to 4 at the time of the war, making her old enough to have some memories but not old enough to truly like or dislike her mom. Under this she would be 24 (the age I've been running with) at the game started and with 7 years that makes 31. Still a little too old for her personality in my eyes.

I figured the best way to fudge it would say her mom died some time after the war-considering all wars have pockets of resistance before all settles down. I'm not 100% sold on this idea since it removes any real potential for char development if she ever does go back in time and I think Rhoa would have actually not wanted to adventure if that's how her mom died. She'd be afraid she or anyone she knew could die as suddenly as her mom did. Hell, if a dragon killed her mom she may not have liked dragons at all either.

I'd be inclined to say there was some mental scar that made her not want to be an adventurer or she may have been a runt and not cut out for the hunters...but that goes completely against her being a high-damage dragoon and all her dreaming of adventures as a kid.

I don't know what Rhoa hates her mother, but that's where I was going with the timeline working back from a younger age for Rhoa.

If we're at 26 years from Crystal War and Rhoa is 24, then she'd be born after the war. Maybe her Mom was in the war then settled down and had a kid. And then after the kid was old enough the adventuring bug hit her again and she went off. Could be a war, exploration, adventuring, other...and then left Rhoa in the care of others to grow up. And then one day they get a note saying Rhoa's mom was killed. (Or you could leave her alive somewhere out here to be discovered.)

And actually it's really easy to die. (We went through that with people in my old RP shell, when they left the game some died, some went missing, and some retired.) But that part is up to you. We're just trying to get it on the same page so all the histories fit in together. (And even if Rhoa wasn't born during the war, she could still find her mother there fighting in it. You just wouldn't find Rhoa there to talk to yourself.)

Continuing on the same thread, I would have to be changing Jestor as well, and I thought of something that would be rather interesting for him.

His father was in the war, but for him to be around 20, he couldn't have been born during the war. But his father was in the war.

So here's a crazy thought I had this morning. Maybe his father did die during the war, and Jestor just doesn't know it. And his mother had Jestor later, but gave him the name of the father, Jestor P Worthington II >> Jestor P Worthington III because she loved the father that much. And then when he was old enough he was told his father died.

It hasn't come up that the dates don't add up to him, and it would be quite interesting when that did happen, since that would cause him a real identity crisis. (And the thouht of who is his 'real' father.)

(and once again here is a place if RP was needed in the past, Jestor could see things, but he wouldn't see himself 'cause he wasn't born at that time.)

Since this is working into a discussion, I moved it to its own thread.

I know I wanted Keahi to be born after the war ended. Changing the year ratio makes her younger than I thought her to be (I think both Joy and I adjusted our birthdays on the forum so the dates reflected our characters' ages), but I would be okay with that.

I know everyone wants to kill their parents in the war (lol) because it was the great huge awesome thing, but there are plenty of conflicts outside of the big one. Haeru lost his dad years after the war.

I've just been trying to figure out how long each raced lived. I figure that humes were pretty much standard, but couldn't find anything for any other race. I have a few different versions of backstory I haven't committed on because I didn't know if.

On a side note, I've always just considered Aenini's parents still alive, they just fight alot (if not completely separated haven't decided yet.) Hence why she got so upset that Humaidaddy and Keahimommy were fighting ^.^

Far as I know, all the races follow standard human aging.

Yeah, they all are on human aging. You get to see the kid versions of Adjuo-Madjuo and that one haughty elvaan in the pass. (Galka are the only ones that live really really long times and then just reincarnate into a child version. And some of them retain memories from their previsous lives, and the Talekeeper retains memories from all his lives.)

Another thing to note, if we don't do the 1:1, then next year at summer festival we can't really say 'At least year's festival such and such happened' And I do know this year we did talk about the previous year's Murmor show this year.

(Another options would be pick a time frame for the past 6 years (is it 1 year up to 6 years passing) and then from this point onward make it 1:1. And we'd need to let any other new people know of the timeline when they were working on character backgrounds.)

Yeah.. and the yearly events is kinda why I would much rather have 1yr = 1yr. But I suppose the end of the war could be anywhere between 20-26 years ago and that make sense. It just means anything that was rp'ed on the old shell (Haeru, Tikano, Siua, etc) would have been less than 20 years after the war.

Then it just becomes the task of figuring out which year this is. But that's more of a debate for the owners of the characters in the under 20 or over 30 categories.

I does seem that most people do not want it to be 26 years later. What if we just went with last year when we got everyone back on was the 20th year and that makes this one 21? Does that screw anyone up? (Other than making Keahi a little younger)

I can work with that.

For Jestor I'd still make him 20, which was born after the war (and around college age, which is kinda what I view the Scholars as...the Vanadiel colleges *chuckle*) And that can still set up the identity crisis, 'cause after I thought that up this morning, I really liked it.

For Nek, I still want her in the early to mid 30s, so she would've been born before the war, and then spent her childhood growing up on the streets of Bastok during the war, and then started her adventuring after the war. Which could also explain her 'needing' the alias when she's back in the past, as there's offically two of her then.

(Actually that does mess up one thing in Nek's background, but I'll just have to omit her ties to Ayame as I had them around the same age and now Ayame will be a lot younger.)

Okay, I adjusted Sae's age to 21 since she was born just after the war. I just need to adjust the dates in my other posts, and putting Cor 2 years younger than Sae she's be 19 now instead of 17, which she is fine with, Nek will probably be a little sadder to have missed all that time with her.

Going from having a 1 and a half year old to a 19 year old...yeah, Nek feels like she's missed out on a lot. She understands why it happened, and is working on accepting it, but she's having a hard time and is still cursing the stupid cat. *chuckle*

Ok so, the Cystal War ended in March of 864 (officially). I'm taking it that we are saying that this year is the 21st year after that, making it 885 correct?

I want to have Aenini born during that huge attack on Windurst. Looking up the time line, it occurred in November of 862 (though i haven't found an exact date, and going that they have 12 months as well). So if the year is 885, that makes Aenini 22, turning 23 in November. I can live with that. That would have made her about 20-21 when she first left Windurst and joined up with everyone.

20-21? Interesting, I was under the impression characters were a lot younger. Out of curiosity, what's the character's age?

Aenini and Sae are 21, Jestor's 20, Keahi I think was 18 or 19? How about the others?

No Aenini's 22. I did take a year break in there after I first started playing.

Also for other people's enjoyment,
Windurst Timeline
Bastok Timeline
San d'Oria Timeline

Here.. we'll make a ls timeline so we can get everyone on the same page. I'll edit this post as we put everyone/everything on it. Please post relevant dates to your characters/npcs!

If the current year (2009) is 885:

849 - Neithandir born
850 - Krishnen born
854 - Humaisna born
855 - Minya born
855 - Oru-poru born
857 - Haeruthien born
859 - Gomogi born
860 - Siuapili born
861 - Airaira and Eirerie born
861 - Dazelle born
862 - Tero born
862.4 - Crystal War begins
862.6 - Keahi born
862.11 - Aenini born
863.11 - Coravin born*
864.3 - Crystal War ends
864 - Saehel born
865.3 - Jestor born
866 - Coravin commonly believed to be born
867.4 - Corain found by Mr. Dalzakk
872 - Meimyu born
883/884 - Various ls members meet and Pants of Honor is formed


Still need ages on Nekaru, Rhoa, Kinikko, Garridan... and corrections on anything I guessed wrong.

Thanks to Carol finding those sites going to go through them to map out a timeline for Nek. since a lot of happenings in game aren't listed in those timelines due to them happening after the game started. So need to map these past 7 years of events for her into the past 7+ years.

With some big events I could make small like the opening of trade with Tavnazia (Nek could visit there and treat it like another black market.)

And the opening of trade and diplomatic relations with the Near East (Aht Urgan). Which I'd like to say happened about 5 years ago myself.

One thing for Coravin though is you can mark her b-day as 863.11 with an astrix. ><

Added in some important figures to show their respective ages. heh. Will work on the Nek timeline and post it in this format. And I keep on making her older and older...think I might settle on 35 for the round number of it (and 850).

833 Cid is born.
860 Prince Trion is born.
862 Prince Pieuje is born.
863.11 Coravin born*
865.3 Jestor born
867.4 Corain found by Mr Dalzakk

Please tell me Nekaru did a lot of time hopping and wasn't just 13 when she had Coravin lol.

Slight question:

863.11 - Coravin born*
866 - Coravin commonly believed to be born
867.4 - Corain found by Mr. Dalzakk


How does one not know the difference between a one year old and a 4 year old?

I sent you that story prior to AWA Kristy. >< Yes, it was time hopping. (Only way it could work as Nek wasn't a Pirate until time hopping.)

Still working on her timeline as apparently the Archduke is alive in 883, so need to change that bit of things as well.

I think I hit all the high points.

850 Nekaru born
854.4.23 Nekaru found by Raltan washed up on the Bastok shore.
867.2 Nekaru starts out as an adventurer.
868.7 Nekaru enrolled in White Mage training at the San d’Orian cathedral.
869 Nekaru hears the call and starts her life as a Summoner.
870 Nekaru returns home and helps with the mines.
872 Nekaru travels the world listening to the voices of the spirits as her guide.
876 Nekaru gets her airship pass.
877 Nekaru and others go investigate rumors of the Shadow Lord’s return.
878 Nekaru works with members from Norg to help set up a trade route between Norg and Tavnazia.
880 Nekaru works with the Tenshodo to set up trade lines to Aht Urgan.
881 Nekaru joins up with the Seagull Phratrie
882 Nekaru captain’s her own ship, the Garuda’s Wing.
885 Nekaru goes back in time. She works on a pirate ship there and assists the Bastok Army as a Dancer.
885.10 Nekaru disbands the Garuda’s Wing and goes to start up a new life in Bastok.

I've been running with Rhoa being 24 but that was before we added years to the mix. How many years are we saying has passed since the expansion of the game?

863.4 Sae's father (Jerrall) and grandfather, merchant caravan guards, accompany a supply caravan into San d'Oria
863.5 Michea's parents are killed by orcs
Jerrall convinces his father to bring Michea with them on the trip back to Bastok
863.6 Jerrall joins the Hydra Corps
863.8 The Hydra Corps disappears without a trace
864.3 Crystal War end
864.3.4 Saehel is born

Timeline = awesome. Also awesome, finding the name of a unit who 1) vanished and 2) fell in the right spot time-wise. Jerrall was 16 and Michea was 15. So this makes Michea's current age 37 if I did the math right. (Which you can never count on.)

@James the current year is 885, the Crystal War was officially declared over in 864. The game "starting point" is stated as 20 years after the end of the war. From here on out years pass at a 1:1 ratio.

Hydra Corps ><

That will be interesting if Sae brings that up, since Nek has actually ran into them. They're found in Dynamis Beaucidine.

I would gather that they were leading an attack in the northlands and were either losing or lost and Diabolos (Avatar of Dreams) stepped in and offered to take them to his realm. Which is where they are found today. And thus they would've dissappeared without a trace.

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Letters_From_the_Hydra

Info about the Hydra Corps.

Thanks for the info! The timeline again works in my favor. XD

So how many years is officially added if I may ask?

Saehel wrote:@James the current year is 885, the Crystal War was officially declared over in 864. The game "starting point" is stated as 20 years after the end of the war. From here on out years pass at a 1:1 ratio.

Just one. Unless I'm misunderstanding your question?

Ah ok, I missed that post. Thanks for pointing it out.

My question was how many years we're saying has passed. It's pre-set at 20 years before the game started but are we adding all the years the game has been out(like Nek originally wanted) or are we cutting back to only 2 or 3 years have passed? Best I can understand 2-3 years was the final verdict but I wanted to confirm this.

Keahi wrote:What if we just went with last year when we got everyone back on was the 20th year and that makes this one 21?

Also, see the timeline above:

Keahi wrote:If the current year (2009) is 885:
862.4 - Crystal War begins
864.3 - Crystal War ends
883/884 - Various ls members meet and Pants of Honor is formed

Thus it is currently 21 years and 7 months after the officially declared end of the Crystal War.

Ok. I know stuff happened between the forming of the Linkshell and Rhoa joining up. I didn't know if there were more years I didn't know about.

If all the info I have is correct then this should actually work out... this is how it's looking so far...

861.12-Rhoa born
862.4 - Crystal War begins
862.6 - Keahi born
862.11 - Aenini born
863.?? - Rhoa's dad disappears
863.11 - Coravin born*
863/864 - Rhoa's mom declared dead
864.3 - Crystal War ends
864 - Saehel born
865.3 - Jestor born
866 - Coravin commonly believed to be born
867.4 - Coravin found by Mr. Dalzakk
872 - Meimyu born
883/884 - Various ls members meet and Pants of Honor is formed
885.??- Rhoa joins linkshell.
20XX- the fighting robot.... MEGA-MAN.

So this means Rhoa is 24 years old, earth-wise her zodiac is the sagitarius (it fits her personality.) This also gives room for her mom and dad to disappear in the middle of the war, I use the term disappear because I'm still exploring options for what happened. If you all want me to set what happened in stone I'll figure it out asap.

Quick question. Does Rhoa have a full name? Like how all mithra have two names? (ie Keahi is Keahi Hualtica)

I ask cause it occurs to me that Aenini would know that, but I don't know that, and it makes it easier to write a letter asking for information if you give a person's full name in said request ^.^

I was so sad after that RP, I was hoping to not worry about Rhoa's backstory until I worked on Kupa and that RNG trainer-and still wait a while before I get into it. Now I have to figure out what I'm going to do and plan something out for everyone to help with. Thanks a lot Humaisna. XD


I'll post in my old thread about this subject, or would anyone prefer I talk about it here?